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American Muslims
Women behaving badly in mosques
Women in American mosques are loud and messy. They allow their children to run free. They socialize and chatter during khutbas. They rush out after the prayers and don’t participate in cleaning or re-organizing the space. They wear inappropriate clothes, allowing their scarves to slip off their heads, and dousing themselves with strong perfumes. They insist on coming to the mosque while menstruating, and pollute the consecrated space with their unclean presence. These stereotypes about women in mosques are commonplace and especially prevalent in American mosques.
Many Muslim American men attest to seeing or hearing of this behavior during Friday prayers at their local mosques. What eludes the casual observer, like the majority of Muslim men who have never entered or prayed in a women’s prayer section, is the root cause of these problems.

Our community’s perception that women behave badly in mosques is intimately tied to the belief that women’s spirituality and prayers carry less importance than men’s. This collective opinion of female spiritual inferiority has settled into both the ritualistic and social practices of American Muslims, and explains both the dismissive treatment women receive in mosques and, in turn, the behaviors they exhibit because of this ostracization.

The belief is so deeply ingrained in American Muslims that we act upon it in social as well as religious contexts. For instance, even at dinner parties, Muslim men usually socialize in larger, neater, and child-free spaces, and they pray together in congregation. The women, on the other hand, haphazardly pray (or don’t pray) on their own wherever they can find a nook, and are expected to focus their attention on their children and on serving the meals and cleaning up afterwards. This paradigm of male spiritual superiority, which carries into the mosque, where men’s spaces are invariably more spacious, serene, and free of children, creates a deep concern for the many professional Muslim women who are struggling to reconcile the neglect which they experience in mosques with the respect with which they are treated in other contexts.

This treatment of women is in contravention to the Q’uran and Prophetic tradition, which equate the value of men and women’s worship and spirituality. The Q’uran unequivocally states that Allah has reserved His forgiveness and rewards for all people who follow His path. The fact that He explicitly mentions both men and women in each line, rather than just saying “people,” accentuates this gender equality:
Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women and the humble men and the humble women, and the almsgiving men and the almsgiving women, and the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their private parts and the women who guard, and the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember -- Allah has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward (Al-Ahzab 33:35).

Surah Al-Tawbah similarly makes it a point to mention men and women separately:
And (as for) the believing men and the believing women, they are guardians of each other; they enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Apostle; (as for) these, Allah will show mercy to them; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise (Al-Tawbah 9:71).

The gender equality affirmed in the Q’uran was apparent in the mosques of the earliest Muslims; the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) led men and women in prayers in the same hall, without walls or separations between genders.

The behavior of Muslim American women in mosques, as well their designated spaces in the mosque, indicate that American Muslims have not internalized these clear standards of equality. The rationale many mosque-goers offer is that because women are louder, less responsible, and less focused on worship, they should be excluded from the main prayer areas. This reasoning erroneously equates the cause with the effect. The real reason why women do not feel invested in their mosques and purportedly behave badly is precisely because they are physically and intellectually separated from the area where the prayers are being conducted and the khutbas delivered..

When women sit in cramped balconies or stuffy basements, separated from the khateeb by walls or partitions, they miss the real impact of the khutba. They cannot see the khateeb, often cannot hear him properly, and cannot directly ask him a question following the lecture. It is no different than listening to the khutbaon the radio at home. The spiritual impact is dulled, and the chatter of other women, who are equally distracted and unconnected due to the physical separation from the speaker, further exacerbates the problem. Furthermore, when the khateeb is out of view, the primary motivation to attend the mosque becomes the ability to socialize with other Muslims. Only by providing women with a direct view of the khateeb will this problem find a resolution.

Another consequence of the erroneous assumption that women’s spirituality does not match that of men’s, is the practice of leaving children with the women. This, again, is not rooted entirely in tradition. There are several hadith indicating that the Prophet would not only welcome children into the men’s section, but would even hold children in his arms or balance them on his shoulders while leading the prayers. It is extremely rare that American Muslim men hold their children during prayers. Most of the so-called children’s sections are usually designed or situated in a way that only mothers can enter and discipline their little ones. Men are therefore absolved of their parental duties, and left free to concentrate on their prayers. Until there are family sections in mosques, where both men and women can monitor their children and where families can pray together, the inequality that results from children being consigned to women only spaces will persist.

Also exacerbating the situation is a tangle of generational and cultural issues. American Muslims immigrants bring the attitudes and expectations of their own culture and generation with them into the mosque. Many neighborhoods in Pakistan, for instance, do not have accommodations for women in the local mosques. When the women from these neighborhoods begin attending mosques in America, they do so without any previous understanding of mosque etiquettes. This problem, of course, is also generational, and it often seems that the women, who were raised here and have gone through the American educational system, have less trouble conforming to mosque etiquette. The concept of listening to lectures, keeping your voice down, organizing groups to enter and exit in an orderly manner, are all inculcated in American school children. The behavior of Muslims bred in American mimics their behavior in educational and professional settings.

As long as the American Muslim community’s perception that women behave badly in mosques remains tied to the erroneous belief that women’s spirituality and prayers are inferior to men’s, we will continue to see the same patterns of behavior recycled again and again—-men (and women) looking on with ill concealed disapproval at cramped, disorganized spaces filled with chattering women and screaming children. Until American Muslims differentiate between the cause and effect of misbehavior at the mosque, rather than conflating the two, there can be no real changes in American mosques.

(Photo: John Raineri)

Uzma Mariam Ahmed is a contributing writer to Altmuslimah


Sounds good to me too. @Mumina: that sounds like a normal day to me, without the unnecessary sexual tension which seems to permeate male-female interactions. One mosque (majority Desi) I went to in another city when I lived there had the women behind us with no barrier. After jumah, we set up tablecloths on the floor and all ate family-style which I truly enjoyed since Muslim women often ahve some really neat things to say; some of them were fantastic administrators whom I was glad to have helping to run the mosque.

>>I remember how exhausting all this was for a new Muslim to navigate.

YUP! That’s why I just ignore foreign people’s cultures now and just do what’s normal here (not haram, of course).



i agree with asma’s suggestions. 

this article is spot on.  the “women behaving badly” syndrome is an issue of nurture, not nature.  if men were conditioned from childhood the way women are - i.e. treated as a fitna, no expectations placed on them, relegated to a back room - they would behave badly too.  and if women were treated with a sense of respect and responsibility and seen as potential leaders from childhood, the way men are, i think they’d step up.



The situation might not be quite as bad as the photo for this article suggests. John Raineri’s interesting composite photo is from an interfaith event, so those women appearing to be the most egregious offenders, are not Muslims at all. This image and others of his can be viewed at this link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/goodimages/3356045193/

Not that we don’t see at least a few examples like these every Friday. You are probably all familiar with Baba Ali’s, “That’s not Hijab”, but I will include the link, as he says, “Just in case you forgot.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4jQi0Gjy3M



If we had a more inclusionary, family oriented atmosphere in most masjids, then maybe we wouldn’t have such divisions and “bad” masjid ettiquette. Or maybe introducing the idea of having children’s classes or babysitting during the lectures or prayers would be beneficial. Some masjids offer this service, many do not.

I also may add that we are fundamentally lacking mercy. The Prophet, saws, used to give shorter sermons or choose shorter surahs while praying when children were crying. This way, the mother or father could attend to the child after prayers were completed and didn’t feel the embarassment of disruption. And yet one more interesting tid bit, the Prophet’s, saws, grandchildren used to climb and roll over him while he was praying. He didn’t get angry or yell at Fatimah for not controlling her children. Rather, he was thankful for having his prostrations prolonged.

As for women, I’m not interested in why anyone else is at the masjid. I know why I go. I’m not interested at their reasons to be there or what they have on, or anything else. If we can each walk away with a learned experience, alhamdulilah for that.



I didn’t see this photo as illustrating the content of the article, so what exactly is so “egregious” and offensive about it?  I just saw it as illustrating women in the women’s section, which then leads into the article, which discusses the perception of women’s behavior and the root cause of it.  I don’t think it’s productive to fixate on the placement of these women’s hijabs in the photo (if that’s in fact what you consider to be such an egregious offense).  This article is about behavior, which is far more important. 

and on a sidenote, i think Baba Ali is awful, and I particularly hate the “that’s not hijab” sad-attempt-at-being-funny.  He does nothing but promote judgment against Muslim women based on appearance, when there’s already so much judgment to begin with.  Intelligent humor challenges the status quo, it doesn’t perpetuate close-mindedness.



Yes, just to confirm, we didn’t mean anything with the picture we chose except to show women in the women’s section of a mosque. Sometimes it’s hard to find photos that illustrate an article perfectly!



Hate?



Why do girls have to be in the back of the room during the prayers ?  Does this not have a negative psychological impact on Muslims girls growing-up with the perception that they are somehow lesser then their male peers and hence be relegated to the back of the room ?

I am not sure if we will accept similar treatment in outside-the-mosque life.  For example, what if the public schools start asking that all girls to sit in the back of the classrooms.  Or better yet, all Muslim boys and girls be asked to always sit in the back of the classrooms.



@Sharpsand, I would like respond to your question. This is one that is frequently asked. First, though, in order to understand where you are coming from, so to speak, I was hoping you could clarify something. When you use the word, “we” here, to whom does it refer?

Communicating through text has the disadvantage of lacking verbal inflection. So I want to choose my wording carefully to avoid misunderstanding.



@Mumina: You may choose any words you deem fit to explain how and why you justify accepting for yourself or your daughter or sister or mother to be sent to the back of the room.



@Sharpsand: I will, but you did not answer my question.



@Mumina: Not sure what exactly you are asking.  Is your opinion going to be different and dependent upon my ethnicity, gender, size of my computer screen, sexual orientation, height, age, brand of car I drive, skin color ?



I’m glad to see someone wanting to discuss the psychological impact of gender segregation in the masjids. Why do we not apply it as a view of the world. If masjids are willing to either dump women in a utility closet or push them outside of the “masjid experience”, then why would we think that there would be justice throughout the world for muslim women?



@Sharpsand: No, none of those things matter. I just wanted to know how much info to include.
Anyway, I will just talk about what my mosque is like and why I am happy there.

At our mosque there is no separation wall or barrier between the men and women. We women do sit at the back.
When we pray, we pray in a line, shoulder to shoulder, with our shoulders or arms actually touching. And of course we prostrate. Personally, I do not want to be literally rubbing shoulders with the men as I pray, nor do I want to be prostrating in front of the men.
Aside from these reasons, there is an advantage to sitting in the back; we can lean back against the wall.

I have lived all but the last couple years of my life as your average American woman. In high school, I was not allowed to take the mechanical drawing or shop classes I wanted to take, because I was a girl. In my twenties, I once was the victim of domestic violence. I have been denied jobs in male-dominated fields because of my gender. I have had to put up with sexual harassment on the job.
I worked for decades before there was any such thing as “sensitivity training”.

I do not have a problem sitting in the back. I do not view it as the equivalent of sitting at the back of the bus.

It is hard to generalize about how women are viewed and treated in the American Islamic world, because it is such a tremendous mix of races, cultures, classes, etc. Certainly, the situation is not ideal. I have had some very disappointing experiences, where I felt women were not valued, or our accommodations were definitely second-rate. But the state of Islam in America is evolving, and I have found several mosques where I do feel comfortable.

I hope this answer some of your questions.
Sincerely,
Mumina



This is really very heartening to hear that this relegation of girls to the back of the mosques is not due to some edict from Quran or Sunnah,  but is rather a choice made by Muslim women themselves for personal comfort and convenience.



Some masjids in America and elsewhere in the world have women in the back of the masjids-as was the case at the time of the Prophet, saws. But many do not allow women in the back of the masjids, in the halls, or even to speak-and this is in America!

Mumina, you are blessed to be in a masjid where there is no barrier. I, on the other hand, rarely go to the masjid because we have a barrier. A note used to hang on that barrier that said, “women control your children”. On occasion, there is an invited speaker-and the q & a portion is limited to men. Women are third class citizens and I cannot justify it in my mind, so I do not go.



@sharpsand: >>a choice made by Muslim women themselves for personal comfort andconvenience.

Then let them not complain when no one cares about what they think or want from the mosque when they *choose* not to participate. To be counted, you have to participate.



>>but is rather a choice made by Muslim women themselves for personal comfort and convenience.

i wouldn’t put it this way.  while i don’t entirely disagree with Mumina’s points, i will say that it’s not exactly a personal choice for women to sit in the back.  we do it because we’re supposed to, because that’s the tradition, and even though it is more convenient in some ways, that’s not the primary reason we do it.  i think sometimes the “convenience” argument is used to justify the tradition…

my friend once went to a masjid where both the men and women were in front.  the men formed prayer rows toward one side of the room, and the women formed prayer rows right across from them.  there was an aisle in-between, i think it may have even been a place for couples to stand so husband and wife could be next to each, and so there was still separation so that men and women wouldn’t be distracted by each other during prayer (the only convenience argument i really agree with). 

so there are other options.  i think this option is much more egalitarian, without sacrificing the comfort and convenience and tradition of sitting separately from the men.  i just wish more people were open to this alternative.



I wouldn’t be opposed to a barrier down the middle;front to back. But I do like the open, architectural beauty of no barrier.

@Omar: Thanks for the “YUP!”, I needed that.

My friends & I are working on building more of a sense of community by holding informal halaqas after Jummah.

I write check to the mosque from my own account.

My primary reasons for attending a mosque are to worship Allah(SWA), and to learn from, and be inspired by the khutba.

Have a great day everyone: )



there wasn’t a physical barrier between the men and women at this masjid.  just an empty aisle that could be filled by couples wanting to pray together.  i agree, having no barrier is visually and psychologically more pleasing, which is part of the point of this article.



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